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Podcast » Stop Selling on Price, Shoptalk Episode #161
In this episode of Power Producers Shoptalk, David Carothers discusses the importance of shifting away from selling on price and focusing instead on the total cost of risk (TCOR). Carothers emphasizes that insurance producers must position themselves as trusted advisors by addressing not only insurance premiums but also uninsured losses, compliance costs, safety program investments, and indirect costs such as reputational damage and employee downtime. He offers five critical questions that producers can ask at the point of sale to differentiate themselves from competitors and provide value to their prospects by focusing on long-term risk management and business operations.
David highlights the power of understanding a client’s operations, recounting a personal experience where he helped a resort reduce their high workers’ compensation mod by improving operational efficiencies. He stresses the importance of asking the right questions to uncover hidden risks and developing solutions that prevent losses, thus lowering long-term insurance costs. The episode concludes by encouraging producers to adopt a proactive approach, offer value-added services, and leverage their insights to establish deeper client relationships, especially in a hard market.
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Producers need to focus on total cost of risk (T-Core) instead of just competing on premiums. This strategy positions you as a trusted advisor and improves long-term risk management for clients.
The podcast introduces Power Producer Base Camp, a program for individual producers designed to provide support and coaching, distinct from the larger Killing Commercial platform.
Insurance premiums are only part of the overall cost of risk. T-Core includes uninsured losses, compliance costs, safety program investments, and indirect costs like reputational damage. Producers need to highlight the full scope of risks to add value.
Real-life examples, like identifying inefficiencies in a resort’s housekeeping or missed opportunities in manufacturing, showcase how addressing T-Core improves business performance and mitigates risks.
Clients may want to reduce insurance costs by adjusting limits or exclusions, but producers should help them understand the risks of doing so and propose solutions like raising deductibles instead.
By focusing on reducing T-Core, producers can establish long-term relationships with clients, creating fewer claims, lower uninsured losses, and more favorable premiums over time.
Producers must differentiate themselves from competitors by offering proactive solutions, implementing risk management strategies, and ensuring clients see them as trusted advisors.
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You could feel it—every producer, coach, and guest mentor knew this was the official start of something special. The conversation wasn’t just about competition. It was about purpose, legacy, and growth.
Hosted by David Carothers, creator of The Protege and founder of Killing Commercial, this kickoff call set the tone for what Season 3 will represent: a proving ground for producers who are ready to work harder, think deeper, and build something that lasts.

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The most successful producers in the middle market did not get there because they quoted faster, smiled bigger, or knew how to talk longer. They got there because they learned how to differentiate themselves so clearly that prospects had no choice but to see them as trusted advisors. They learned to operate like businesspeople first and insurance technicians second. They learned how to tie operational mechanics to insurance outcomes. They learned how to control their time, their pipeline, and their future.

In commercial insurance, the most dangerous threats to your book of business aren’t always visible on the loss runs. One of the most overlooked vulnerabilities for middle market producers is ignoring the personal lines needs of their business owner and executive clients.
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