The Great Debate with Andy Mathisen and Jerry Conrey, Episode #203

Too many agents stop learning once they’ve earned their license. The bare minimum—meeting continuing education requirements—is not enough in today’s climate. Producers often resort to online forums, asking where they can complete CE hours “as quickly as possible.” This mindset directly impacts their ability to communicate complex subjects like reinsurance or risk modeling to clients in an understandable way. As a result, they struggle to retain accounts and close new business in an increasingly competitive market.

The problem? Too many producers are pitching too soon, to the wrong people, with nothing more than a quote to offer. This article walks through how to close more business by positioning yourself as a trusted advisor, selling Total Cost of Risk (TCOR) outcomes, and using a structured approach to differentiate at every stage of the sales process.

In the modern commercial insurance landscape, trust is no longer built solely through in-person meetings, networking events, or polished brochures. It’s earned digitally—often before a prospect ever takes your call. As sales dynamics shift and competition tightens, the producers who will thrive are those who understand one thing: educational content is the new handshake.

Most commercial insurance producers think of referral networks as an afterthought—something that might generate a lead or two if they attend enough events, shake enough hands, or stay active in their BNI chapter. But the producers who consistently dominate the middle market think differently. They treat referral networks like revenue engines, built with the same discipline as a sales pipeline, and they use those relationships not only to generate appointments but to recruit the next generation of elite producers.

In a rapidly changing business landscape, the difference between thriving and merely surviving often boils down to one core attribute: curiosity. But curiosity alone isn’t enough. When paired with operational audits, strong leadership, and a growth mindset, it becomes a powerful tool for transformation—especially in the middle market. In this post, we explore how curious leadership and deep operational insights can revolutionize how insurance producers approach sales, consult with clients, and build long-term partnerships rooted in value.

In this article, we’ll walk you through how to use Workers’ Comp as your entry point, how to dissect the experience mod, how to turn loss runs into strategy, and how to capitalize on the year-end season to build stronger client relationships and fill your pipeline with warm referrals.