In the tenth installment of the “Becoming the Protégé” series on Power Producers Shop Talk, host David Carothers sits down with Rich Bales of the Avanti Group to discuss his journey from medical device sales to becoming an agency owner and contestant on The Protégé Season 3. Rich shares his entrepreneurial story, detailing why he left a high-stress corporate career to build a business with more freedom and control.
They also dive into the realities of starting in personal lines versus commercial, the power of risk management over selling policies, and why Rich believes his background in medical sales gives him a unique edge in targeting healthcare accounts.
Rich explains his transition from a demanding career in medical device sales to launching his own independent agency. Motivated by a desire for better work-life balance and tax advantages, he left behind the “golden handcuffs” of corporate quotas to build something sustainable for his family.
David and Rich discuss the common advice given to new producers to start in personal lines. David challenges this notion, arguing that there is zero correlation between selling a $500 auto policy and closing a $25,000 revenue commercial account. Rich agrees, noting that while personal lines provided “at-bats,” his goal is to move entirely into the commercial space.
The duo emphasizes that the most successful producers don’t sell insurance—they sell risk management. David shares his strategy of opening meetings by explicitly stating, “This is not an insurance conversation,” focusing instead on solving operational problems that naturally lead to the sale.
Rich discusses his plan to target the healthcare vertical, utilizing his deep understanding of hospital administration and medical groups from his previous career. He and David explore how private equity is consolidating the space, creating opportunities for agents who can offer sophisticated risk management solutions rather than just transactional policies.
When asked why he joined The Protégé, Rich admits he wants to be the “dumbest guy in the room” to maximize his learning. He views the competition not just as a contest, but as a priceless opportunity to steal best practices from top industry leaders and implement them immediately to scale his agency.
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In commercial insurance, the most dangerous threats to your book of business aren’t always visible on the loss runs. One of the most overlooked vulnerabilities for middle market producers is ignoring the personal lines needs of their business owner and executive clients.
In an industry where tradition often outweighs innovation, artificial intelligence and automation are slowly but steadily reshaping how independent insurance agencies operate. The push toward smarter, more efficient workflows is no longer a matter of if—but when. While many agencies are still evaluating how AI fits into their operations, early adopters are already reaping the benefits of streamlined submissions, faster processing, and actionable data insights.
The commercial insurance industry is changing faster than ever—and not always for the better. Consolidation is accelerating. Service levels are declining. Private equity is pushing agencies to scale in ways that strip out the personal touch that once defined the independent channel. But for the producers willing to do the work, lean into mentorship, and sharpen their craft, this isn’t a challenge—it’s an opportunity.
The commercial insurance industry is in the midst of a major evolution. The traditional workflows that once drove agency productivity are now dragging down growth, overloading staff, and frustrating owners who are trying to scale efficiently. For independent insurance agencies—especially those in the middle market—adapting to these challenges without increasing overhead is a tightrope walk.
Few industries reward consistency, discipline, and patience quite like middle-market commercial insurance. Initially, every producer starts with a different story, background, and path into the business. However, the ones who rise are the ones who learn to embrace the long game. Moreover, while success may take time, those who persevere ultimately reap the benefits. Furthermore, this industry values resilience, and those who remain committed often find themselves achieving great success in the end.
In today’s performance-obsessed culture, achieving elite status in your profession can often come with a hidden price. Tania Khazaal, known to many as Tanya the Herbalist, knows this truth firsthand. After climbing the ranks in the insurance industry and landing in the top 1% of sales professionals, she found herself at a crossroads. Despite the accolades, international travel perks, and consistent recognition, she was suffering from a quiet crisis: burnout.
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